I've criticized Rusty Humphries for claiming that Muslims are rioting almost every day in France but he may be closer to the truth than I thought. From the Manchester Guardian:
France's Sarkozy Seeks Parliament Allies
Monday May 7, 2007 5:01 PM
By ANGELA DOLAND
Associated Press Writer
On election night, scattered violence was reported across France. Police reported that 270 people were taken in for questioning and that 367 parked vehicles had been torched. On a typical night in France, about 100 cars are burned.
I wrote an e-mail to Doland asking her where I can get more information about car burnings in France.
Monday, May 07, 2007
77 TERROR GROUPS???
Rep. John Boehner, House Minority Leader, said this on Fox News Sunday (5/6/2007):
Wouldn't that number of groups strongly suggest that the people who have been running this war since March 2003 are terribly incompetent?
At the end of the day, Chris, Iraq is not about a civil war. Iraq is about Al Qaeda and 76 other terrorist groups operating there, and all of their effort is aimed at defeating the United States.
Wouldn't that number of groups strongly suggest that the people who have been running this war since March 2003 are terribly incompetent?
SCIENCE FICTION VS. REALITY!!!
(Via Atrios)
The WaPo reported that Nit Romney said:
I didn't know the facts about this and Ana Marie Cox finds out that there aren't any:
Orson Scott Card is a lunatic.
The WaPo reported that Nit Romney said:
"In France, for instance, I'm told that marriage is now frequently contracted in seven-year terms where either party may move on when their term is up. How shallow and how different from the Europe of the past."
I didn't know the facts about this and Ana Marie Cox finds out that there aren't any:
The Plank, where they note that the whole seven-year-contract with option to renew is, in fact, a plot point in a novel by fellow Mormon Orson Scott Card.*
Orson Scott Card is a lunatic.
ANDREA MITCHELL WAS CORRECT
Andrea Mitchell reported that the GOP would stop supporting Fredo's Fiasco if there was no real progress by September. Now, GOP politicians have come out publicly and said so:
GOP Senator: Patience on Iraq Is Limited
May 7, 10:36 PM (ET)
By ANNE FLAHERTY
WASHINGTON (AP) - Senate Republican Whip Trent Lott said Monday that President Bush's new strategy in Iraq has until about fall before GOP members will need to see results.
Lott's comment put a fine point on what Senate Republican stalwarts have been discussing quietly for weeks. It also echoed remarks made this weekend by House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, indicating the GOP's limited patience on the war.
GOP Senator: Patience on Iraq Is Limited
May 7, 10:36 PM (ET)
By ANNE FLAHERTY
WASHINGTON (AP) - Senate Republican Whip Trent Lott said Monday that President Bush's new strategy in Iraq has until about fall before GOP members will need to see results.
Lott's comment put a fine point on what Senate Republican stalwarts have been discussing quietly for weeks. It also echoed remarks made this weekend by House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, indicating the GOP's limited patience on the war.
ANOTHER STRAND OF THE WINGNUT WEB
The wingnuts have infiltrated many institutions in America and today, as I was listening to Slots Bennett's radio show, I learned about another one, Kenneth R. Weinstein. He's CEO of the conservative Hudson Institute and got his undergrad degree from Chicago and his graduate degree from Harvard. At Chicago, he studied under neo-con Allen Bloom and at Harvard, under neo-con Harvey Mansfeld.
ANOTHER "SURGE" ORIGINS STORY
(Via BuzzFlash)
It's getting harder to tell who really was behind The Surge. First it was Maliki, then, at least in wingnut world, it was Gen. Petraeus and now it seems there's a third choice.
Bush Aide to Leave No. 2 National Security Post
By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, May 5, 2007; Page A09
Deputy national security adviser J.D. Crouch II, who helped spearhead the recent policy review that led President Bush to send more U.S. troops to Iraq, announced yesterday that he will step down early next month,... And it was his interagency group meeting at the White House complex for many weeks last winter that resulted in the ongoing troop buildup in Iraq, which has become the defining decision of the year for Bush.
It's getting harder to tell who really was behind The Surge. First it was Maliki, then, at least in wingnut world, it was Gen. Petraeus and now it seems there's a third choice.
Bush Aide to Leave No. 2 National Security Post
By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, May 5, 2007; Page A09
Deputy national security adviser J.D. Crouch II, who helped spearhead the recent policy review that led President Bush to send more U.S. troops to Iraq, announced yesterday that he will step down early next month,... And it was his interagency group meeting at the White House complex for many weeks last winter that resulted in the ongoing troop buildup in Iraq, which has become the defining decision of the year for Bush.
NEWT SLAMS FREDO
On Face the Nation (5/6/07), Newt lays into Fredo almost as much as any Democrat has:
SCHIEFFER: Well, is President Bush just an albatross that's too heavy for
Republicans to carry now?
Mr. GINGRICH: Well, President Bush is not the future. He's not a solution.
He doesn't solve--he doesn't solve Social Security, he doesn't solve Medicare,
he doesn't solve the economy, he doesn't solve the environment, he doesn't
solve education. He's a current fact. It would be like saying that if the
Democrats decided to run on the grounds of that they can be as effective as
Senator Reid is in the Senate. Well, you'd never elect somebody--the Senate's
an impossible place to be effective in. It's designed not to be effective.
The Democrats have got--have an easier job, because all they have to do is
say, `Not this.' That's exactly what the 2006 campaign was, `Not this.' The
Republicans have a harder job. The Republicans have to say this is not what
we want to debate, it's not in Baghdad, it's not in Katrina, it's not at
Walter Reed, it's not with the US attorneys. But I have a better plan for a
better solution that fits your values more than a Senator Clinton or a Senator
Edwards or a Senator Obama.
SCHIEFFER: Or what you seem to be saying, or President Bush.
Mr. GINGRICH: Well, I think that's clear. I mean, again, you don't have to
be hostile to President Bush to say that the country clearly wants more
aggressive solutions that are more powerful, whether it's controlling the
border or it is fixing Social Security for the next generation or it's having
a health system we can afford that covers 300 million Americans or it's having
what I've described as a green conservatism that offers an aggressive solution
on issues like global warming but does so using markets and incentives.
SCHIEFFER: Well, is President Bush just an albatross that's too heavy for
Republicans to carry now?
Mr. GINGRICH: Well, President Bush is not the future. He's not a solution.
He doesn't solve--he doesn't solve Social Security, he doesn't solve Medicare,
he doesn't solve the economy, he doesn't solve the environment, he doesn't
solve education. He's a current fact. It would be like saying that if the
Democrats decided to run on the grounds of that they can be as effective as
Senator Reid is in the Senate. Well, you'd never elect somebody--the Senate's
an impossible place to be effective in. It's designed not to be effective.
The Democrats have got--have an easier job, because all they have to do is
say, `Not this.' That's exactly what the 2006 campaign was, `Not this.' The
Republicans have a harder job. The Republicans have to say this is not what
we want to debate, it's not in Baghdad, it's not in Katrina, it's not at
Walter Reed, it's not with the US attorneys. But I have a better plan for a
better solution that fits your values more than a Senator Clinton or a Senator
Edwards or a Senator Obama.
SCHIEFFER: Or what you seem to be saying, or President Bush.
Mr. GINGRICH: Well, I think that's clear. I mean, again, you don't have to
be hostile to President Bush to say that the country clearly wants more
aggressive solutions that are more powerful, whether it's controlling the
border or it is fixing Social Security for the next generation or it's having
a health system we can afford that covers 300 million Americans or it's having
what I've described as a green conservatism that offers an aggressive solution
on issues like global warming but does so using markets and incentives.
SOME GOOD NEWS...
I had the impression that the leading GOP presidential candidates were beating the leading Democratic candidates and even though it is very early, I was disappointed. I speculated that the American public really does lean authoritarian when it comes to the presidency. Now, via Raw Story, I learn that the opposite is true.
From NEWSWEEK (5/5/2007):
From NEWSWEEK (5/5/2007):
Obama beats the leading Republicans by larger margins than any other Democrat: besting Giuliani 50 to 43 percent, among registered voters; beating McCain 52 to 39 percent, and defeating Romney 58 percent to 29 percent.
Like Obama, Edwards defeats the Republicans by larger margins than Clinton does: the former Democratic vice-presidential nominee outdistances Giuliani by six points, McCain by 10 and Romney by 37, the largest lead in any of the head-to-head matchups.Meanwhile, Sen. Clinton wins 49 percent to 46 percent against Giuliani, well within the poll’s margin of error; 50 to 44 against McCain; and 57 to 35 against Romney.
MORE DISINFORMATION
On Fox News Sunday, House Minority Leader John Boehner repeats the LIE that the Surge is Gen. Petraeus' plan:
It's Maliki's plan much more than it is Petraeus' plan.
"General Petraeus was approved by the Senate 84-0. His plan was on full display during his confirmation hearings. And what really irritates our Republican members are the Democrats aren't letting General Petraeus have — his plan have a chance to succeed."
It's Maliki's plan much more than it is Petraeus' plan.
MORE FROM "EVE'S HERBS"
Prof. John M. Riddle gives us a little more insight into Exodus 21:22, from page 72 of his history:
Some modern scholars have advanced the idea that because the blow (in Exodus 21:22) did not injure the baby (though it arrived prematurely), the harm was not great.34 This interpretation is entirely modern and contrary to ancient practices throughout the Mediterranean world. Nothing in the Hebrew language or mores leads us to assume that a premature but healthy birth was implied. A passage in the Mishnah Oholoth (7:6) deals with dismemberment of a fetus during in a breech birth; it permits the procedure provided the fetus has not overhalf emerged and disallows the procedure if it has.35 The fetus was recognized as being protected for its sake at birth, not prior to it, in a fairly precise way. In a number of places the Talmud refers to the fetus as ubar yerekh imo ("part of the mother"), in the same meaning as the Latin pars viscerum matris.36
Some modern scholars have advanced the idea that because the blow (in Exodus 21:22) did not injure the baby (though it arrived prematurely), the harm was not great.34 This interpretation is entirely modern and contrary to ancient practices throughout the Mediterranean world. Nothing in the Hebrew language or mores leads us to assume that a premature but healthy birth was implied. A passage in the Mishnah Oholoth (7:6) deals with dismemberment of a fetus during in a breech birth; it permits the procedure provided the fetus has not overhalf emerged and disallows the procedure if it has.35 The fetus was recognized as being protected for its sake at birth, not prior to it, in a fairly precise way. In a number of places the Talmud refers to the fetus as ubar yerekh imo ("part of the mother"), in the same meaning as the Latin pars viscerum matris.36
Sunday, May 06, 2007
MOSTLY RADIO TIDBITS
I heard a panel discussion about Rupert Murdoch's bid for the Wall Street Journal/Dow Jones, Inc. on the BBC's World Business Review and I loved it when one of the panelists who opposed the sale pointed out that FAUX News is essentially an externsion of the White House Press Office.
I learned a little more about freakshow Buzz Patterson: he hosts the show FrontPage Magazine on Righttalk.
Crooks & Liars notes that the Regent University website scrubbed the reference to the 150 graduates working in the Bush Administration.
I learned a little more about freakshow Buzz Patterson: he hosts the show FrontPage Magazine on Righttalk.
Crooks & Liars notes that the Regent University website scrubbed the reference to the 150 graduates working in the Bush Administration.
A LIE SPREADS
I wrote before that Rusty Humphries, a wingnut radio host, pushed the agit-prop lie that the Muslim youths in France were rioting nightly. Tonigh, a caller to the Drudge Report claimed that 80 cars were burnt by rioters every night in France.
ANOTHER DAKOTAKEN AWARD WINNER!
Jmontondo
#10 - 5/06/07 11:13 PM (Msg Id: 523441:3379412)
#10 - 5/06/07 11:13 PM (Msg Id: 523441:3379412)
The numbers between the Clinton and Bush administrations are almost identical. what numbers are you talking about? Inflation? Unemployment? What?
SLOWING DOWN
The housing market, a crucial component of Tucson's economy, has collapsed. From the Tucson Daily Star of 6/6/07:
"Residential listings averaged 9,925 at the end of January, February and March, according to the Tucson Association of Realtors Multiple Listing Service, nearly triple the average for the same quarter in 2005, the peak year for sales. In March alone, the number hit a record of 10,185.
Sales for the quarter were down about 18 percent from the same three months in 2005, according to the Realtor statistics. Meanwhile, the average number of days on the market for the quarter is 67, up 27 days from the same time in 2005."
"Residential listings averaged 9,925 at the end of January, February and March, according to the Tucson Association of Realtors Multiple Listing Service, nearly triple the average for the same quarter in 2005, the peak year for sales. In March alone, the number hit a record of 10,185.
Sales for the quarter were down about 18 percent from the same three months in 2005, according to the Realtor statistics. Meanwhile, the average number of days on the market for the quarter is 67, up 27 days from the same time in 2005."
Saturday, May 05, 2007
ANOTHER SIGN OF FREDO'S FAILURE
Iraq added to U.S. religious freedom watchlist
USA Today
4/27/2007
WASHINGTON (AP) — Soaring sectarian violence and government abuses have caused an alarming deterioration in religious freedom in Iraq, prompting a U.S. advisory panel for the first time to place it on a watch list of countries where worship is under severe threat.
Citing gross violations of the rights of Sunni and Shiite Muslims, as well as followers of numerous minority beliefs, the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom added Iraq to its "watch list" on Wednesday. Violations included arbitrary arrests, torture and rape.
"Despite ongoing efforts to stabilize the country, successive Iraqi governments have not adequately curbed the growing scope and severity of human rights abuses," it said, describing an "alarming and deteriorating situation for freedom of religion and belief."
"The Iraqi government has engaged in human rights violations through its state security forces, including arbitrary arrest, prolonged detention without due process, extrajudicial executions and systematic torture," it said.
...the government also condoned or tolerated "religiously based attacks and other religious freedom abuses carried out by armed Shia factions" with official links.
"Given these ties, the Iraqi government's failure to control such actors could ultimately constitute tolerance of egregious, ongoing and systematic violations of religious freedom," the report said.
USA Today
4/27/2007
WASHINGTON (AP) — Soaring sectarian violence and government abuses have caused an alarming deterioration in religious freedom in Iraq, prompting a U.S. advisory panel for the first time to place it on a watch list of countries where worship is under severe threat.
Citing gross violations of the rights of Sunni and Shiite Muslims, as well as followers of numerous minority beliefs, the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom added Iraq to its "watch list" on Wednesday. Violations included arbitrary arrests, torture and rape.
"Despite ongoing efforts to stabilize the country, successive Iraqi governments have not adequately curbed the growing scope and severity of human rights abuses," it said, describing an "alarming and deteriorating situation for freedom of religion and belief."
"The Iraqi government has engaged in human rights violations through its state security forces, including arbitrary arrest, prolonged detention without due process, extrajudicial executions and systematic torture," it said.
...the government also condoned or tolerated "religiously based attacks and other religious freedom abuses carried out by armed Shia factions" with official links.
"Given these ties, the Iraqi government's failure to control such actors could ultimately constitute tolerance of egregious, ongoing and systematic violations of religious freedom," the report said.
WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST
I really think that many Bush supporters are insane. Here's one from AOL:
I responded with this quote from Pres. Fredo:
This is his response to my post:
BIG LIE - Saddam had no WMDs
#1
- 5/05/07 10:03 PM (Msg Id: 566751:203883)
RAmann2996
WMDs, Weapons of Mass Destruction, were found in Iraq after Saddam was forced out.
I responded with this quote from Pres. Fredo:
"Now, look, part of the reason we went into Iraq was -- the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't,..." (8/21/2006)
This is his response to my post:
RAmann2996
#5 - 5/05/07 11:46 PM (Msg Id: 566751:204144)
Will - The claim made about Bush is false. Please click on the link that was provided and find the quote attributed to Bush. The quote is NOT there.
HEADING TOWARD NIXON
Newsweek's latest poll (5/5/07) has Fredo's approval rating down to 28%. Fredo has now tied Carter's low (6/29-7/2/1979) and is approaching Nixon's low of 23% (poll done 1/4-7/1974 ).
FREDO IS PANDERING AGAIN
This time to the Dobson/Falwell/Land wing of the GOP.
Bush Vows to Veto Abortion-Rights Bills
May 5, 3:12 AM (ET)
By JIM ABRAMS
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush is warning Democratic leaders that any attempt to weaken federal policies that restrict abortion will be met with a veto.
"The standing pattern is that appropriate conscience protections must be in place for health care entities, and that taxpayer dollars may not be used in coercive or involuntary family planning programs," Bush said in letters dated Thursday.
"I will veto any legislation that weakens current federal policies and laws on abortion, or that encourages the destruction of human life at any stage," he wrote.
Bush has already threatened to veto legislation, passed by the House and Senate in different forms this year, that would ease restrictions on federally funded embryonic stem cell research. He killed a similar stem cell bill last year in the first veto of his presidency.
Bush Vows to Veto Abortion-Rights Bills
May 5, 3:12 AM (ET)
By JIM ABRAMS
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush is warning Democratic leaders that any attempt to weaken federal policies that restrict abortion will be met with a veto.
"The standing pattern is that appropriate conscience protections must be in place for health care entities, and that taxpayer dollars may not be used in coercive or involuntary family planning programs," Bush said in letters dated Thursday.
"I will veto any legislation that weakens current federal policies and laws on abortion, or that encourages the destruction of human life at any stage," he wrote.
Bush has already threatened to veto legislation, passed by the House and Senate in different forms this year, that would ease restrictions on federally funded embryonic stem cell research. He killed a similar stem cell bill last year in the first veto of his presidency.
THE JEREMIAH PROJECT
I found another Jeebus site thanx to an insane poster on AOL, Toadvinej. The guy behind the Project is Vic Bilson and here's what he has to say about it:
As you might expect, he has the usual list of suspects:
The Jeremiah Project began in 1992 as a "print" ministry of proclaiming God's Word to a lost and dying world. ... Early in 1996, the Lord moved me to continue publishing the material on the Internet as it greatly expanded the audience at a much lower cost. To date, the Jeremiah Project has logged over 2.8 million page views of material with an average of over 1,000 unique visitors per day (far more than I could have reached by mail).
As you might expect, he has the usual list of suspects:
Led by the ACLU, new agers, one-worlders, feminists, homosexuals, liberal churches, and godless politicians, an all out War on Christianity has been declared.
COULTER SMACKS O'REILLY
Bill O. was suggesting that Ann & Rosie O'Donnell would make a great TV show but Ann didn't like that idea very much because of the implicit linking of her to O'Donnell. From Lexis-Nexis1:
O'REILLY: .think the ratings for an Ann coulter/Rosie O'Donnell program every day, I think you'd do pretty well, Ann. Give you the last word.
COULTER: The last word is Rosie O'Donnell is Irish. Her name begins with O. And she vents about her personal grievances five days a week on TV. If we're looking for the parallel, O'Reilly, it's not me.
FOX News Hounds has the video clip here.
1SHOW: THE O'REILLY FACTOR 8:00 PM EST
April 27, 2007 Friday
TRANSCRIPT: 042703cb.256
SECTION: NEWS; Domestic
LENGTH: 886 words
HEADLINE: Impact: Interview with Ann Coulter
BYLINE: Bill O'Reilly
GUESTS: Ann Coulter
O'REILLY: .think the ratings for an Ann coulter/Rosie O'Donnell program every day, I think you'd do pretty well, Ann. Give you the last word.
COULTER: The last word is Rosie O'Donnell is Irish. Her name begins with O. And she vents about her personal grievances five days a week on TV. If we're looking for the parallel, O'Reilly, it's not me.
FOX News Hounds has the video clip here.
1SHOW: THE O'REILLY FACTOR 8:00 PM EST
April 27, 2007 Friday
TRANSCRIPT: 042703cb.256
SECTION: NEWS; Domestic
LENGTH: 886 words
HEADLINE: Impact: Interview with Ann Coulter
BYLINE: Bill O'Reilly
GUESTS: Ann Coulter
Friday, May 04, 2007
THE NY TIMES KEEPS ON PLUGGING AWAY
at the GOP versus evolution story:
A Split Emerges as Conservatives Discuss Darwin
By PATRICIA COHEN
Published: May 5, 2007
Evolution has long generated bitter fights between the left and the right about whether God or science better explains the origins of life. But now a dispute has cropped up within conservative circles, not over science, but over political ideology: Does Darwinian theory undermine conservative notions of religion and morality or does it actually support conservative philosophy?
[SNIP]
The arguments have played out in recent books, magazine articles and blogs, as well as at a conference on Thursday at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. There Mr. Arnhart was grouped with John Derbyshire, a contributing editor at National Review, against John G. West and George Gilder, who both are associated with the Discovery Institute, which advocates intelligent design.
[SNIP]
Skeptics of Darwinism like William F. Buckley, Mr. West and Mr. Gilder also object. The notion that “the whole universe contains no intelligence,” Mr. Gilder said at Thursday’s conference, is perpetuated by “Darwinian storm troopers.”
“Both Nazism and communism were inspired by Darwinism,” he continued. “Why conservatives should toady to these storm troopers is beyond me.”
Gilder is a fool! Communism was around well before Darwin published On the Origin of Species in 18591:
The “utopian” socialists of the 19th century also founded communities, though they replaced the religious emphasis with a rational and philanthropic idealism. Best known among them were Robert Owen, who founded New Harmony in Indiana (1825), and Charles Fourier, whose disciples organized other settlements in the United States such as Brook Farm (1841–47). In 1848 the word communism acquired a new meaning when it was used as identical with socialism by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in their famous Communist Manifesto.
1communism. (2007). In Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved May 5, 2007, from Encyclopædia Britannica Online: http://search.eb.com/eb/article-9117284
A Split Emerges as Conservatives Discuss Darwin
By PATRICIA COHEN
Published: May 5, 2007
Evolution has long generated bitter fights between the left and the right about whether God or science better explains the origins of life. But now a dispute has cropped up within conservative circles, not over science, but over political ideology: Does Darwinian theory undermine conservative notions of religion and morality or does it actually support conservative philosophy?
[SNIP]
The arguments have played out in recent books, magazine articles and blogs, as well as at a conference on Thursday at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. There Mr. Arnhart was grouped with John Derbyshire, a contributing editor at National Review, against John G. West and George Gilder, who both are associated with the Discovery Institute, which advocates intelligent design.
[SNIP]
Skeptics of Darwinism like William F. Buckley, Mr. West and Mr. Gilder also object. The notion that “the whole universe contains no intelligence,” Mr. Gilder said at Thursday’s conference, is perpetuated by “Darwinian storm troopers.”
“Both Nazism and communism were inspired by Darwinism,” he continued. “Why conservatives should toady to these storm troopers is beyond me.”
Gilder is a fool! Communism was around well before Darwin published On the Origin of Species in 18591:
The “utopian” socialists of the 19th century also founded communities, though they replaced the religious emphasis with a rational and philanthropic idealism. Best known among them were Robert Owen, who founded New Harmony in Indiana (1825), and Charles Fourier, whose disciples organized other settlements in the United States such as Brook Farm (1841–47). In 1848 the word communism acquired a new meaning when it was used as identical with socialism by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in their famous Communist Manifesto.
1communism. (2007). In Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved May 5, 2007, from Encyclopædia Britannica Online: http://search.eb.com/eb/article-9117284
WOLF LETS PERLE ESCAPE...
In an interview on The Situation Room (5/4/07), Wolf Blitzer had Richard Perle as a guest and this exchange shows how lame Blitzer really is:
Here Perle is almost as bad as Krauthammer. Blitzer should've asked Perle just WHO these Iraqis were who could start running the country?
BLITZER: But Richard, given what we know now -- obviously, four years later we're all a lot smarter -- are you sorry that you had that sense, that drive to go into remove Saddam through military might?
PERLE: Well, I'm sorry that after removing Saddam we did not hand things back to the Iraqis. I'm sorry that we embarked on an occupation that became the basis for an insurgency against us. I think the right thing to have done -- and I said it at the time -- was to hand things to the Iraqis as soon as Saddam was removed.
Here Perle is almost as bad as Krauthammer. Blitzer should've asked Perle just WHO these Iraqis were who could start running the country?
ANOTHER DAKOTAKEN WINNER
PensionDad
#4 - 5/04/07 11:44 PM
(Msg Id: 523441:3366252)
Fascism is corporatism? Wow, tell that to musselini and franco.
Here are the facts of the matter:
Italian corporativismo , also called corporativism the theory and practice of organizing society into “corporations” subordinate to the state. According to corporatist theory, workers and employers would be organized into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and controlling to a large extent the persons and activities within their jurisdiction. However, as the “corporate state” was put into effect in fascist Italy between World Wars I and II, it reflected the will of the country's dictator, Benito Mussolini, rather than the adjusted interests of economic groups.
corporatism. (2007). In Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved May 4, 2007, from Encyclopædia Britannica Online: http://search.eb.com/eb/article-9026396
A NATIONAL DISGRACE
We learned that 3 of the GOP candidates are barbarians but our vaunted liberal media did not highlight that fact. The neo-con paper, the Washington Post, had 4 articles about the debate but not one mentioned the GOP troglodytes:
GOP Field United On War, Divided On Social Issues
By Dan Balz and Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, May 4, 2007; Page A01
Behind the Scenes at the GOP Debate
Posted at 5:05 PM ET, 05/ 4/2007
Posted by Mary Ann Akers
Debate Wrap Up
By Chris Cillizza May 3, 2007; 10:03 PM ET
The Republicans: Who Are Those Guys?
By Joel Achenbach May 4, 2007; 10:48 AM ET
The New York Times DID mention this disgrace and named names:
’08 Republicans Differ on Defining Party’s Future
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and MARC SANTORA
Published: May 4, 2007
From the 2nd paragraph:
But they also differed on an array of social issues — abortion, stem cell research, immigration and evolution — in a debate that highlighted a party in flux as it struggles to figure out how to retain the White House for a third consecutive term.
From the 9th paragraph:
There were revealing moments that went past the well-rehearsed lines by all the candidates. Three of the candidates — Mr. Huckabee, Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas and Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado — raised their hands to signal that they did not believe in evolution.
CNN also mentioned the troglodytes but only through an AP article:
Giuliani bucks GOP field on Roe v. Wade
POSTED: 2:52 a.m. EDT, May 4, 2007
SIMI VALLEY, California (AP) -- The field split on another issue, with Brownback, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo raising their hands when moderator Chris Matthews asked who did not believe in evolution.
GOP Field United On War, Divided On Social Issues
By Dan Balz and Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, May 4, 2007; Page A01
Behind the Scenes at the GOP Debate
Posted at 5:05 PM ET, 05/ 4/2007
Posted by Mary Ann Akers
Debate Wrap Up
By Chris Cillizza May 3, 2007; 10:03 PM ET
The Republicans: Who Are Those Guys?
By Joel Achenbach May 4, 2007; 10:48 AM ET
The New York Times DID mention this disgrace and named names:
’08 Republicans Differ on Defining Party’s Future
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and MARC SANTORA
Published: May 4, 2007
From the 2nd paragraph:
But they also differed on an array of social issues — abortion, stem cell research, immigration and evolution — in a debate that highlighted a party in flux as it struggles to figure out how to retain the White House for a third consecutive term.
From the 9th paragraph:
There were revealing moments that went past the well-rehearsed lines by all the candidates. Three of the candidates — Mr. Huckabee, Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas and Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado — raised their hands to signal that they did not believe in evolution.
CNN also mentioned the troglodytes but only through an AP article:
Giuliani bucks GOP field on Roe v. Wade
POSTED: 2:52 a.m. EDT, May 4, 2007
SIMI VALLEY, California (AP) -- The field split on another issue, with Brownback, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo raising their hands when moderator Chris Matthews asked who did not believe in evolution.
HEWITT ISN'T THE ONLY NUTCASE
This is from a recent (5/2/07) Michael Medved blog post:
OK, let's take a look:
Those who claim that he emphasized disarming Saddam as the chief purpose of the war ought to come to terms with his description of the struggle in its early stages four years ago.
OK, let's take a look:
THE PRESIDENT: Our mission is clear in Iraq. Should we have to go in, our mission is very clear: disarmament. 3/6/03
"But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about." -Ari Fleischer Press Briefing 4/10/03
A SENSE OF UNREALITY
Sometimes I feel uncomfortable reading about the wingnuts because their delusions are SO strong. Crooks & Liars alerted me to this craziness from Hugh Hewitt(HH):
I went to Hewitt's site and read the transcript to see if Hewitt had any other psychotic outbreaks and found these two exchanges:
MI: The central argument [for war in Iraq] was weapons of mass destruction.
HH: That was Colin Powell. Again, that's spin. Michael Isikoff, that's spin.
I went to Hewitt's site and read the transcript to see if Hewitt had any other psychotic outbreaks and found these two exchanges:
MI: We have to guess. We have to guess. I mean, we know that a lot of bad guesses were made by this administration in the invasion.
HH: Again, that’s spin.
MI: No, no, no, no, no, no. We know that.
HH: Give me a specific.
MI: They did not…a specific?
HH: Of a bad guess.
MI: And Hugh, you do agree there was no real evidence of a connection between Saddam and al Qaeda?
HH: I don’t. Absolutely not. I know that Zawahiri was in the country, I know that he is…
LOUSY IN IRAQ
Two depressing facts, one from Rorshach:
Criminals in Baghdad are stealing corpses from the scenes of car bombings and killings in order to extract ransoms from grieving relatives. In a macabre offshoot of the capital's kidnapping epidemic, the gangs pose as medics collecting bodies to be taken back to the city's overflowing morgues. Instead, they take the corpses to secret places and demand payments of up to $5,000 to release each body to relatives for burial. Because Muslim custom dictates that a body must be buried as soon as possible after death, many families simply pay up, rather than involve the police.
The other from the WaPo:
Projectile Bomb Attacks Hit Record High in Iraq
U.S. Says Weapons Are Made in Iran
By Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 4, 2007; Page A01
BAGHDAD -- Attacks in Iraq involving lethal weapons that U.S. officials say are made in Iran hit a record high last month, despite efforts to crack down on networks supplying the armor-piercing weapons known as explosively formed projectiles, according to a senior U.S. commander.
The number of attacks with the projectiles rose to 65 in April, said Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, who oversees day-to-day U.S. military operations in Iraq. "The overwhelming majority" were in predominantly Shiite eastern Baghdad, Odierno said in an interview this week. Officials have said the projectiles are used almost exclusively by Shiite fighters against U.S. military targets.
Overall attacks using roadside bombs doubled in Iraq from 2006 to 2007 and number about 1,200 a month.
Criminals in Baghdad are stealing corpses from the scenes of car bombings and killings in order to extract ransoms from grieving relatives. In a macabre offshoot of the capital's kidnapping epidemic, the gangs pose as medics collecting bodies to be taken back to the city's overflowing morgues. Instead, they take the corpses to secret places and demand payments of up to $5,000 to release each body to relatives for burial. Because Muslim custom dictates that a body must be buried as soon as possible after death, many families simply pay up, rather than involve the police.
The other from the WaPo:
Projectile Bomb Attacks Hit Record High in Iraq
U.S. Says Weapons Are Made in Iran
By Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 4, 2007; Page A01
BAGHDAD -- Attacks in Iraq involving lethal weapons that U.S. officials say are made in Iran hit a record high last month, despite efforts to crack down on networks supplying the armor-piercing weapons known as explosively formed projectiles, according to a senior U.S. commander.
The number of attacks with the projectiles rose to 65 in April, said Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, who oversees day-to-day U.S. military operations in Iraq. "The overwhelming majority" were in predominantly Shiite eastern Baghdad, Odierno said in an interview this week. Officials have said the projectiles are used almost exclusively by Shiite fighters against U.S. military targets.
Overall attacks using roadside bombs doubled in Iraq from 2006 to 2007 and number about 1,200 a month.
3 GOP BARBARIANS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT
They are: Brownback, Tancredo and Huckabee. All three disbelieve Evolution. Crooks & Liars has the clip.
IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING...
Pres. Fredo has already threatened to veto the proposed Hate Crime bill, presumably because his Jeebus followers are making a stink:
White House threatens to veto hate-crimes bill
POSTED: 8:56 p.m. EDT, May 3, 2007
From Carol Costello
CNN Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House has threatened to veto a bill passed by the House of Representatives on Thursday that expands hate-crime laws to include attacks based on sexual orientation or gender.
Critics of the bill say it would have a chilling effect on clergy who preach against homosexual behavior.
"We believe that this legislation will criminalize our freedom of speech and our ability to preach the gospel," said Bishop Harry Jackson of Hope Christian Church in Lanham, Maryland.
The good Bishop has at the very least a reading comprehension problem because the bill explicitly defends free speech:
SEC. 11. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.
Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution.
White House threatens to veto hate-crimes bill
POSTED: 8:56 p.m. EDT, May 3, 2007
From Carol Costello
CNN Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House has threatened to veto a bill passed by the House of Representatives on Thursday that expands hate-crime laws to include attacks based on sexual orientation or gender.
Critics of the bill say it would have a chilling effect on clergy who preach against homosexual behavior.
"We believe that this legislation will criminalize our freedom of speech and our ability to preach the gospel," said Bishop Harry Jackson of Hope Christian Church in Lanham, Maryland.
The good Bishop has at the very least a reading comprehension problem because the bill explicitly defends free speech:
SEC. 11. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.
Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution.
THE NEO-CONS & THE UNIVERSITY
Glenn Greenwald has an interesting post about a leading wingnut intellectual, Harvard Government Professor Harvey Mansfield. Note that the wingnuts whine all the time about the "leftist-run" universities but rarely if ever mention the many wingnut luminaries who have found a comfortable place in academe, either as professors or Ph. D's (Jerome Corsi, Laurie Mylroie). Mansfeld was at Harvard for his almost his entire post-highschool career, the only exception being 2 years as an assistant professor at Berkely.
Thursday, May 03, 2007
LOCAL RADIO TIDBITS
The newest propaganda radio station in Tucson is FM-104.1 "The Truth." It has a supposedly local morning show and today's host was Doug Kellet. He was upset about a addition to the Federal hate crime laws, Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act (H.R. 1592) because he's another shill for Dobsonism. The fundies are afraid that some of their hate-filled pastors may be convicted under the new law because of the bile they spew about homosexuality.
RATS! I MISSED OUT ON THE WAR WHORE
From the Center for Arizona Policy (i.e., Dobson in Arizona)
Last Chance - This year The Center for Arizona Policy's spring dinner event is better than ever because we are hosting the number one morning talk show host in the country Ms. Laura Ingraham. Laura's unique blend of cultural commentary and fiery political savvy have earned her number one ratings and we are proud to have such a strong voice for conservative family values as our featured speaker. So join us at 7pm on April 26th at the Camelback Inn to hear Laura live and in person. Reserve your tickets at azpolicy.org or call us at 1 800 family-1. Get a table for ten and bring your friends to what will be a great evening as Laura speaks to A Divided Country: Hope for America. You won't want to miss this night so get your tickets today at azpolicy.org or call us at 1800 family-1 and join The Center for Arizona Policy for dinner with Laura Ingraham.
War Whore Ingraham has certainly done her part to divide the country.
Last Chance - This year The Center for Arizona Policy's spring dinner event is better than ever because we are hosting the number one morning talk show host in the country Ms. Laura Ingraham. Laura's unique blend of cultural commentary and fiery political savvy have earned her number one ratings and we are proud to have such a strong voice for conservative family values as our featured speaker. So join us at 7pm on April 26th at the Camelback Inn to hear Laura live and in person. Reserve your tickets at azpolicy.org or call us at 1 800 family-1. Get a table for ten and bring your friends to what will be a great evening as Laura speaks to A Divided Country: Hope for America. You won't want to miss this night so get your tickets today at azpolicy.org or call us at 1800 family-1 and join The Center for Arizona Policy for dinner with Laura Ingraham.
War Whore Ingraham has certainly done her part to divide the country.
DRIFTGLASS IS A GENIUS!!!
(h/t to Swopa)
Driftglass has a post that is a cross between Hunter Thompson and Tom Stoppard. Here's a sample to whet your curiosity:
Driftglass has a post that is a cross between Hunter Thompson and Tom Stoppard. Here's a sample to whet your curiosity:
“Meanwhile Fox News and Hate Radio will peel the flesh from the fallen soldiers (whose flag-draped coffins are to be kept strictly hidden during the entire act. Out of, y’know, respect), wrap themselves in their skin, the Flag and the Bible and spend the rest of the act as a kind of Rich White Greek Chorus, screaming that anyone who is not in the act is a traitor.
BIG CHANGE FOR FREDO
(H/T to Holden)
Remember this?
Well, that statement is "no longer operative":
Remember this?
Q Are we winning?
THE PRESIDENT: Absolutely, we're winning. (10/25/06)
Well, that statement is "no longer operative":
THE PRESIDENT:But slowly but surely, the truth will be known. Either we'll succeed, or we won't succeed. (5/2/07)
SHORTER W.F. BUCKLEY
April 28, 2007 10:45 AM
The Waning of the GOP
By William F. Buckley Jr
National Review
The political problem of the Bush administration is grave, possibly beyond the point of rescue. The opinion polls are savagely decisive on the Iraq question. About 60 percent of Americans wish the war ended — wish at least a timetable for orderly withdrawal. What is going on in Congress is in the nature of accompaniment.
But beyond affirming executive supremacy in matters of war, what is George Bush going to do? It is simply untrue that we are making decisive progress in Iraq.
There are grounds for wondering whether the Republican party will survive this dilemma.
The Waning of the GOP
By William F. Buckley Jr
National Review
The political problem of the Bush administration is grave, possibly beyond the point of rescue. The opinion polls are savagely decisive on the Iraq question. About 60 percent of Americans wish the war ended — wish at least a timetable for orderly withdrawal. What is going on in Congress is in the nature of accompaniment.
But beyond affirming executive supremacy in matters of war, what is George Bush going to do? It is simply untrue that we are making decisive progress in Iraq.
There are grounds for wondering whether the Republican party will survive this dilemma.
PRAGER THE PIOUS
Via RADIOTIME, I'm listening to Prager and he thinks the MAIN issue for 2008 should be the Iraq War. In addition, he mentioned that many Sunnis are NOT aligned with Al Qaeda but isn't honest enough to admit that that admission blows a large hole in the "they will follow us home" theory.
This guy is unbelievably stupid. He's trying to argue that he gets upset only when other people, not the elites (media, universities, etc.), harm his life, so he wants a VOTE on the Iraq War. Somehow, a vote changes things from "tragic" to just another event in history.
This guy is unbelievably stupid. He's trying to argue that he gets upset only when other people, not the elites (media, universities, etc.), harm his life, so he wants a VOTE on the Iraq War. Somehow, a vote changes things from "tragic" to just another event in history.
Wednesday, May 02, 2007
BUCKLEY ON TENET
(Via Attaturk, who for some reason unknown to me, got the keys from Atrios)
May 2, 2007 9:10 AM
Torture on 60 Minutes
By William F. Buckley Jr.
National Review
The testimony reveals the CIA run by a man who cannot think straight, advising the national security adviser, who went on to make false allegations, and the vice president, who made more false allegations, and the president, who took ill-considered actions.
May 2, 2007 9:10 AM
Torture on 60 Minutes
By William F. Buckley Jr.
National Review
The testimony reveals the CIA run by a man who cannot think straight, advising the national security adviser, who went on to make false allegations, and the vice president, who made more false allegations, and the president, who took ill-considered actions.
A STATION MANAGER ON NEAL BOORTZ
I found this on Memeorandum.
(excerpts)
Scott Stevens knew Neal Boortz was a “hate monger.” But he had only received a single, generic complaint about Boortz’s remarks regarding the shootings at Virginia Tech. Now, Stevens says WFNR AM 710 in Pulaski will strongly consider pulling Boortz, a nationally syndicated talk show host, from their 10 a.m.-12 p.m. time slot after being made aware of the severity of Boortz’s remarks by a letter from Virginia delegates.
For Stevens, dealing with Boortz up to this point has constituted a decidedly sticky situation.
“I deeply regret that I did not know the content (of Boortz’s remarks). I think it’s outrageous. His show is always like that. He is a hate-monger but I will tell you that he has had, traditionally, a following in this radio market. There were a couple of times when his radio show wasn’t on because of technical reasons and I was inundated with complaint calls, more so than with complaints about his remarks,” Stevens said.
(excerpts)
Scott Stevens knew Neal Boortz was a “hate monger.” But he had only received a single, generic complaint about Boortz’s remarks regarding the shootings at Virginia Tech. Now, Stevens says WFNR AM 710 in Pulaski will strongly consider pulling Boortz, a nationally syndicated talk show host, from their 10 a.m.-12 p.m. time slot after being made aware of the severity of Boortz’s remarks by a letter from Virginia delegates.
For Stevens, dealing with Boortz up to this point has constituted a decidedly sticky situation.
“I deeply regret that I did not know the content (of Boortz’s remarks). I think it’s outrageous. His show is always like that. He is a hate-monger but I will tell you that he has had, traditionally, a following in this radio market. There were a couple of times when his radio show wasn’t on because of technical reasons and I was inundated with complaint calls, more so than with complaints about his remarks,” Stevens said.
WAR WHORE HANSON ON "CLUES"
On Monday, Huge Ego Hewitt had Victor Davis Hanson on his show and VDH came out with this line:
War Whores have not the slightest sense of shame and don't even know recent history:
I think that when you look at Obama or Edwards, you realize that these people don’t have a clue what’s going on in the Middle East...
War Whores have not the slightest sense of shame and don't even know recent history:
We have no idea what kind of ethnic strife might appear in the future, although as I have noted, it has not been the history of Iraq's past.
PAUL WOLFOWITZ, FEBRUARY 27, 2003*
*At that time, Wolfowitz was the Deputy Secretary of Defense
RADIO TIDBITS
Mike Gallagher was speaking out against Rosie O'Donnell tonight and made these statements:
He also attacked Keith Olbermann and Frank Rich, so overall it seems that he is pandering to the 35% or so who still support the fiasco in Iraq.
"I wish that she got locked up."
"...I hate Rosie O'Donnell"
He also attacked Keith Olbermann and Frank Rich, so overall it seems that he is pandering to the 35% or so who still support the fiasco in Iraq.
RADIO TIDBITS
One of Slots Bennett's sidekicks just said that Pres. Fredo should take his case for war to the country. I guess the moron doesn't know what polls are or where to find them.
CBS News/New York Times Poll.
April 20-24, 2007.
N=1,052 adults nationwide.
MoE ± 3 (for all adults). RV = registered voters
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation with Iraq?"
ALL adults
Approve 24%
Disapprove 71%
Unsure 5%
One of the crew said that unless the funding was quickly approved, the troops wouldn't be getting the new armored vehicles they need and that would be the Democrats fault. Of course, they said nothing about Rumsfeld's "matter of physics" LIE.
CBS News/New York Times Poll.
April 20-24, 2007.
N=1,052 adults nationwide.
MoE ± 3 (for all adults). RV = registered voters
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation with Iraq?"
ALL adults
Approve 24%
Disapprove 71%
Unsure 5%
One of the crew said that unless the funding was quickly approved, the troops wouldn't be getting the new armored vehicles they need and that would be the Democrats fault. Of course, they said nothing about Rumsfeld's "matter of physics" LIE.
CHENEY IN CHARGE
Many people suspect that VP Cheney actually runs things in this Administration. Paul O'Neill, formerly Secretary of the Treasury, felt that Cheney had cut off the President from all but a very narrow circle of insiders and thus prevented Fredo from getting disinterested opinions. Larry Wilkerson, formerly Colin Powell's chief of staff at the State Department, felt that Cheney and Rumsfeld effectively short-circuited the normal deliberative process about national security issues.
Now, we have a little more evidence that Cheney has an enormous amount of power, this time from the former British Defence Minister.
Hoon admits fatal errors in planning for postwar Iraq
Patrick Wintour, political editor
Wednesday May 2, 2007
The Guardian
(excerpts)
Mr Hoon also said he and other senior ministers completely underestimated the role and influence of the vice-president, Dick Cheney.
"Sometimes ... Tony had made his point with the president, and I'd made my point with Don [Rumsfeld] and Jack [Straw] had made his point with Colin [Powell] and the decision actually came out of a completely different place. And you think: what did we miss? I think we missed Cheney."
Describing the task of dealing with the US administration as a "multi-dimensional jigsaw puzzle," Mr Hoon accepted that Britain had greatly underestimated the influence of the neo-con vice-president Mr Cheney and had lacked a comparable figure able to engage him regularly over the war. And he admitted that as Mr Powell became more marginalised by the White House and Mr Rumsfeld's Pentagon, Britain's coordination of its position through his state department left its influence greatly diminished.
Now, we have a little more evidence that Cheney has an enormous amount of power, this time from the former British Defence Minister.
Hoon admits fatal errors in planning for postwar Iraq
Patrick Wintour, political editor
Wednesday May 2, 2007
The Guardian
(excerpts)
Mr Hoon also said he and other senior ministers completely underestimated the role and influence of the vice-president, Dick Cheney.
"Sometimes ... Tony had made his point with the president, and I'd made my point with Don [Rumsfeld] and Jack [Straw] had made his point with Colin [Powell] and the decision actually came out of a completely different place. And you think: what did we miss? I think we missed Cheney."
Describing the task of dealing with the US administration as a "multi-dimensional jigsaw puzzle," Mr Hoon accepted that Britain had greatly underestimated the influence of the neo-con vice-president Mr Cheney and had lacked a comparable figure able to engage him regularly over the war. And he admitted that as Mr Powell became more marginalised by the White House and Mr Rumsfeld's Pentagon, Britain's coordination of its position through his state department left its influence greatly diminished.
Tuesday, May 01, 2007
ARROGANCE
Presenter: Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
December 08, 2004
SEC. RUMSFELD: As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They’re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time.
December 08, 2004
SEC. RUMSFELD: As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They’re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time.
COMIC RELIEF
Democratic Underground (DU) has a weekly series, "The Top 10 Conservative Idiots." This is # 8 for the week ending April 30th:
I imagine it did, Earl, I imagine it did.
A Bentonville, Ark., man is seeking $20,000 from the city after his two teenage sons found a book on lesbian sex on a public library bookshelf. He also wants the library director fired.
Earl Adams said his 14- and 16-year-old sons were "greatly disturbed" after finding the book, titled "The Whole Lesbian Sex Book." Adams said the book caused "many sleepless nights in our house."
I imagine it did, Earl, I imagine it did.
YUP, THEY REALLY DO HATE AMERICA
(Via Atrios)
I mean, of course, the BushBots, the wingnuts, the bigots and the militarists, in short, the GOP's base.
Kevin Drum found this example from a revered conservative thinker:
I think this ranks right beside the Hannity's America segment, "Enemy of the State."
I mean, of course, the BushBots, the wingnuts, the bigots and the militarists, in short, the GOP's base.
Kevin Drum found this example from a revered conservative thinker:
When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can’t help wondering if the day may yet come when the only thing that can save this country is a military coup.
- Thomas Sowell, National Review, May 1, 2007
I think this ranks right beside the Hannity's America segment, "Enemy of the State."
MORE ON "THEY WILL FOLLOW US"
On Monday, NPR's All Things Considered had a segment on Pres. Fredo's claim that if we leave Iraq, the terrorists will follow us back to the United States. I've noted before that almost all the experts in this area heavily discount this argument and thanx to Lexis-Nexis, I have the transcript of the ATC segment1. Here are some relevant excerpts:
WELNA: Just as McCain fought in Vietnam, so did retired Brigadier General John Johns, a national security expert who helped develop counterinsurgency doctrine there. But Johns considers that they'll-follow-us-home warning propaganda. It's actually leaving American forces in Iraq, he says, that increases the chances of a terrorist attack on the U.S.
Mr. JOHN JOHNS (Retired US Brigadier General): The longer we stay there, the more we're going to create people who will volunteer to come here.
"There's no national security analyst that's really credible who thinks that people are going to come from Iraq and attack the United States, that that's a credible scenario," said retired Army Lt. Col. James Carafano, a specialist in international security threats at the conservative Heritage Foundation. LINK
Mr. PAUL PILLAR (Former CIA Official): ... the longer that we stay engaged in what has become in the eyes of the Islamist jihadists, the biggest and foremost jihad namely Iraq, the more likelihood we will breed even more terrorists.
1National Public Radio (NPR)
SHOW: All Things Considered 8:00 PM EST
April 30, 2007 Monday
LENGTH: 952 words
HEADLINE: Behind the Messages on Stopping Terrorism,
and Iraq
ANCHORS: MELISSA BLOCK
WELNA: Just as McCain fought in Vietnam, so did retired Brigadier General John Johns, a national security expert who helped develop counterinsurgency doctrine there. But Johns considers that they'll-follow-us-home warning propaganda. It's actually leaving American forces in Iraq, he says, that increases the chances of a terrorist attack on the U.S.
Mr. JOHN JOHNS (Retired US Brigadier General): The longer we stay there, the more we're going to create people who will volunteer to come here.
"There's no national security analyst that's really credible who thinks that people are going to come from Iraq and attack the United States, that that's a credible scenario," said retired Army Lt. Col. James Carafano, a specialist in international security threats at the conservative Heritage Foundation. LINK
Mr. PAUL PILLAR (Former CIA Official): ... the longer that we stay engaged in what has become in the eyes of the Islamist jihadists, the biggest and foremost jihad namely Iraq, the more likelihood we will breed even more terrorists.
1National Public Radio (NPR)
SHOW: All Things Considered 8:00 PM EST
April 30, 2007 Monday
LENGTH: 952 words
HEADLINE: Behind the Messages on Stopping Terrorism,
and Iraq
ANCHORS: MELISSA BLOCK
WORDS VERSUS FACTS
THE WORDS:
THE PRESIDENT:If we don't lose our nerve, if we stay the course, someday down the road, an American President will be working with democratically-elected leaders in the broader Middle East at the table to keep the peace. (3/24/2006)
THE VICE PRESIDENT:No, I think that, in fact, we are making very significant progress. There's no doubt in my mind but we're going to win. We will prevail in Iraq. ... But we have to stay the course. (6/22/2006)
MR. SNOW: The second thing you do is you stay the course. (7/10/2006)
THE PRESIDENT:We're not going to lose in Iraq. As a matter of fact, we will win in Iraq so long as we stay the course. (7/11/2006)
MR. SNOW: ...the President is determined to stay the course. (8/16/2006)
THE PRESIDENT: We will stay the course, we will help this young Iraqi democracy succeed, and victory in Iraq will be a major ideological triumph in the struggle of the 21st century. (8/30/2006)
THE VICE PRESIDENT:And the United States' ability to stay the course and get the job done is a very, very important piece of business, especially when you consider that our adversaries are betting that they can break our will, that we won't stay. (10/28/2006)
THE FACTS:
THE PRESIDENT:If we don't lose our nerve, if we stay the course, someday down the road, an American President will be working with democratically-elected leaders in the broader Middle East at the table to keep the peace. (3/24/2006)
THE VICE PRESIDENT:No, I think that, in fact, we are making very significant progress. There's no doubt in my mind but we're going to win. We will prevail in Iraq. ... But we have to stay the course. (6/22/2006)
MR. SNOW: The second thing you do is you stay the course. (7/10/2006)
THE PRESIDENT:We're not going to lose in Iraq. As a matter of fact, we will win in Iraq so long as we stay the course. (7/11/2006)
MR. SNOW: ...the President is determined to stay the course. (8/16/2006)
THE PRESIDENT: We will stay the course, we will help this young Iraqi democracy succeed, and victory in Iraq will be a major ideological triumph in the struggle of the 21st century. (8/30/2006)
THE VICE PRESIDENT:And the United States' ability to stay the course and get the job done is a very, very important piece of business, especially when you consider that our adversaries are betting that they can break our will, that we won't stay. (10/28/2006)
THE FACTS:
A PEAK INTO A WINGNUT'S MIND
Tsebitai11 started this thread - "BOMBARDED W/LIB PROPAGANDA" - on 4/27/07 and I'm posting some of what he wrote here because I think it's a great summary of a die-hard wingnut. The selections below are from a few of his posts on that thread.
Not a day goes by without Liberal news sources constantly attacking Christians, the USA, Conservatives, our troops, President Bush, the Republican Party.
Not a day goes by without Liberal news sources giving sympathy to Illegal Aliens, murderers, pedophiles, terrorists, rapists.
Do you deny that Democrat Congressman and strategist Rham Emanuel has orchestrated a world wide HATE BUSH campaign?
Do you deny that Seinfeld co-writer, Larry David's wife, Laurie, is paid by George Soros to organize official HATE BUSH rally's in Hollywood?
Do you deny that the Democrat Party is run by radical leftist special interest organizations, some who are funded by terror groups and rogue nations who are determined to destroy this country?
Please explain to the rest of us why President Bill Clinton took the US Navy Strategic Oil Preserve (Elk Hills) and gave it to Occidental Oil.
The truth is that the Democrat Party is made up of every radical leftist organization in America. ... Organizations like: ANSWER, CAIR, ELF, LA RAZZA, ACLU, NAMBLA, ECONET, PEACENET, TIDES FOUNDATION, and many more.
Democrat Asst. Attny. Gen. Nancy Gorelick issued the infamous "Wall" memo prohibiting our law enforcement agencies from sharing information. The memo was directly responsible for the events leading up to 9-11.
Unlike you filthy rotten leftist Liberal sons a bitches, the rest of us don't lie. These things are absolutely true.
There is nothing that I said here that is not true. ALL IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
Not a day goes by without Liberal news sources constantly attacking Christians, the USA, Conservatives, our troops, President Bush, the Republican Party.
Not a day goes by without Liberal news sources giving sympathy to Illegal Aliens, murderers, pedophiles, terrorists, rapists.
Do you deny that Democrat Congressman and strategist Rham Emanuel has orchestrated a world wide HATE BUSH campaign?
Do you deny that Seinfeld co-writer, Larry David's wife, Laurie, is paid by George Soros to organize official HATE BUSH rally's in Hollywood?
Do you deny that the Democrat Party is run by radical leftist special interest organizations, some who are funded by terror groups and rogue nations who are determined to destroy this country?
Please explain to the rest of us why President Bill Clinton took the US Navy Strategic Oil Preserve (Elk Hills) and gave it to Occidental Oil.
The truth is that the Democrat Party is made up of every radical leftist organization in America. ... Organizations like: ANSWER, CAIR, ELF, LA RAZZA, ACLU, NAMBLA, ECONET, PEACENET, TIDES FOUNDATION, and many more.
Democrat Asst. Attny. Gen. Nancy Gorelick issued the infamous "Wall" memo prohibiting our law enforcement agencies from sharing information. The memo was directly responsible for the events leading up to 9-11.
Unlike you filthy rotten leftist Liberal sons a bitches, the rest of us don't lie. These things are absolutely true.
There is nothing that I said here that is not true. ALL IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
DEAN OF THE WANKERS
Yes, that would be David Broder of the Washington Post, the so-called "Dean" of political journalism. As I noted below, the Senate Democratic Caucus pushed back against Broder's column that attacked Harry Reid and MediaMatters drew my attention to this outrageous claim in his column:
There is a "long list of senators of both parties" who want to see Harry Reid removed as Senate Majority leader.
We need to see the list, Dean!
There is a "long list of senators of both parties" who want to see Harry Reid removed as Senate Majority leader.
We need to see the list, Dean!
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