McWAR gives one answer:
McCain says cutting casualties in Iraq is primary goal
By JIM KUHNHENN – 1 hour ago
PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Avoiding casualties in Iraq is more important than bringing troops home, Republican John McCain said Wednesday, feeding an outcry from Democrats who quickly declared him to be out of touch with the public and the needs of the military.
Appearing on NBC's "Today Show," McCain was asked if he has a better estimate for when U.S. troops could leave Iraq.
"No, but that's not too important," McCain said. "What's important is casualties in Iraq.
The Iraqis give another:
U.S. security talks with Iraq in trouble in Baghdad and D.C.
By Leila Fadel and Warren P. Strobel McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2008
Some Iraqi parliamentarians are now saying that Iraq has a third option besides extending the U.N. mandate or agreeing to the proposed Status of Forces Agreement: telling the Americans to go home.
"By December Iraq has to decide what to do," said Sami al Askari, a Shiite lawmaker who is close to Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki. "If we are put in a corner...we have three options, not just two."
Iraqi lawmakers say the Bush administration is demanding concessions that are unacceptable, among them: dozens of semi-permanent bases from which U.S. forces can launch missions with no prior consent from Iraq's government; complete immunity for U.S. troops and security contractors; control of Iraq's air space; and no guarantees the United States will defend Iraq against a foreign attack.
"There is only one agenda for us-we need foreign troops because our forces are not capable yet to defend Iraq inside and outside of Iraq," al Askari said. But when Iraq reaches the point it can defend itself, "That's it, no more foreign troops on our soil," he added.
Other responses:
Kerry: McCain confused, 'unbelievably out of touch'
Ben Smith's Blog
June 11, 2008
The Politico
John Kerry, who's served in the past as Obama's heavy-hitter on national security, expressed incredulity at McCain's remark this morning that the timing of troops return is "not too important."
"It is unbelievably out of touch and inconsistent with the needs of Americans and particularly the families of troops who are over there. To them it’s the most important thing in the world when they come home," he said. "It’s a policy for staying in Iraq."
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Issue of level of Zionist control of media also explored in comments.
As long as lackeys like Clear Channel's nominally Scots-Irish Mike McConnell set forth Zionists like Fred Hiatt, (whose recent obviously deceptive editorial in WAPO attempted to exonerate Bush from
his due role as a liar) as unbiased
truthtellers, the exact level of
influence might not be decisive.
WHEN WE PULL OUT, THE TERRORISTS WILL HAVE ONLY ONE CHOICE BUT TO COME BACK AND HIT US ON OUR SOIL. THERE ARE ALREADY 100's of SLEEPER CELLS IN OUR COUNTRY. I AM ONE OF THE BRIGHTEST IN AMERICA! UNCLE SAM PAID FOR MY EDUCATION SECOND TO NONE.
NOT IF BUT WHEN WE PULL OUT, IRAN WILL GO INTO IRAQ! READ THE NEWS THE LAST FEW DAYS!!!! IRAN IS SHOWING IT'S POLITICAL AND MILITARY MIGHT TO INFLUENCE IRAQ. THEY ARE IRAQ'S DIRECT NEIGHBOR!!! HOW MANY OF YOU LOSERS REALIZE THAT IRAQ AND IRAN WERE AT WAR WITH EACH OTHER IN THE 80's. THERE WAS A STALE MATE WHEN IRAQ'S MILITARY POWER WAS STRONG. IRAQ IS WEEK TODAY!!!! WHEN WE PULL OUT, IRAN IS GOING INTO IRAQ. SYRIA IS GOING INTO IRAQ. TURKEY ALREADY WENT INTO IRAQ ONCE. THEY DO NOT WANT ANOTHER GENOCIDE! IT IS GOING TO BE A TOTAL DISASTER!! THE DEMOCRATS ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE TERRORISTS!! THEY WANT US TO LOSE THE WAR!!! CAN YOU TRUST A LEADER OF HIS COUNTRY WHO TELLS HIS OWN PEOPLE THAT THE WWII HOLOCAUST NEVER EXISTED??? WHY ARE THEIR PICTURES IN THE HOLOCAUST MUSEUM IN DC? WHY IS THERE A PLACE OF WWII ARCHITECTURE WHICH IS THE
THE PLACE WHERE THEY GASSED 1000'S OF JEWS IN GERMANY!!! CAN YOU REALLY TALK WITH A MAN WHO HAS BEEN SEEN ON TV YELLING AND SCREAMING, HATE AMERICANS! HATE THE PEOPLE OF THE OLD TESTAMENT! KILL AMERICANS!! KILL THE PEOPLE OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. THOSE ARE HIS WORDS AS WELL AS THE BRAINWASHED 3,4,5 + CHILDREN IN THAT COUNTRY!!! DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE YOU CAN TALK WITH AND NEGOTIATE PEACE WITH AS TOTAL LIER WHO TELLS HIS OWN PEOPLE LIES. HE WOULD TAKE US FOR FOOLS!! MOST OF YOU JUST CAN ONLY SEE THE FRONT OF YOUR FACE AND ARE WAY TOO SIMPLE MINDED!!!! I HAVE BEEN TO THAT PART OF THE WORLD. IT IS NOT WAY OVER THE HORIZON. BY SHIP 6 DAYS ACROSS THE ATLANTIC. 2 IN THE MEDITERRANEAN. 1 THROUGH THE CANAL. 1-1/2 TO THE STRAITS. I HAVE BEEN A WORLD TRAVELER. I DID NOT LIKE THAT PART OF THE WORLD!! ONE COUNTRY CAUGHT WITH ALCOHOL-50 SLASHES WITH BRUISES AND BLOOD ON YOUR BACK. WHEN WE WERE IN ONE OF THE COUNTRIES WHO IS NOW A SAFE HARBOR TO TERRORISTS, I WENT OUT WITH A WOMAN FROM THAT COUNTRY WHO WAS HOME FOR THE SUMMER AS A STUDENT OF TUFTS UNIVERSITY. SHE GOT USED TO THE AMERICAN LIFE STYLE. SHE WORE BLUE JEANS. ALL OF THE MEN WERE SPITTING ON HER. IF YOU ARE AGAINST GENOCIDE, YOU HAD TO BE AGAINST SADAAM! HE GASED 1000's OF KURDS! CAN YOU LIKE A COUNTRY WHERE WOMEN WERE NOT ALLOWED TO BE EDUCATED AND BE SLAVES TO MEN!! I JUST DON'T GET IT WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM! ARE YOU DUMB?? WHERE IS YOUR EYESIGHT. JUST IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE. I ASKED A WOMAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN WHEN WE PULL-OUT? HER WORD'S WERE I DO NOT KNOW!!! NO ONE LIKES WAR. MAYBE YOU WERE RIGHT THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE THERE. WHEN YOU START SOMETHING IN LIFE, YOU MUST FINISH IT!!! ALL OF YOU WANT US TO LOSE. THAT WILL BE YOUR CHOICE WHEN WE PULL OUT. THERE WILL BE 1000's OF REFUGES THAT COME TO AMERICA THAT ARE WILLING TO WORK AT THE MUCH CHEAPER WAGES AND TAKE YOUR JOBS AWAY FROM YOU!!!
SO ALL OF YOU SIMPLE MINDED PEOPLE. HERE IS MY SIMPLE MINDED QUESTION. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU WALK AWAY FROM YOUR PROBLEMS? I ASKED A LADY AT THE VOTING PLACE THAT QUESTION. SHE SAID, I DO NOT KNOW. WHEN YOU HAVE HAD PROBLEMS IN LIFE. WHEN YOU DID NOT DEAL WITH THEM. WHEN YOU WALK AWAY FROM YOUR PROBLEMS, THEY DO NOT GO AWAY!!! IT IS NOT ANOTHER VIETNAM. IT IS THE OIL RESERVES OF THE WORLD. I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE STRAITS. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS SINK ONE SUPERTANKER, AND THE ENTIRE ECONOMY OF THE WORLD WILL BE DRUG DOWN FOR DAYS AND DAYS. EVERYTHING IN LIFE DEPENDS ON ENERGY. WERE DID YOU GET YOUR USELESS DEGREES IF ANY? I GOT ONE SECOND TO NONE PAID BY UNCLE SAM.
What a kook. 30,000 Jews live unpersecuted in Iran. As long as American bases are strewn throughout Moslem regions and Mossadegh-like assassinations, subsidization of would-be American puppets are engaged in, Israel's oppression of Palestinians and cluster bombing of Lebanon is assisted, blowback is possible.
America looked the other way when many of Saddam's excesses were committed,when he was "our"man, so your referencing in this regard is also unimpressive.
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