INTRO:
COLMES: Doesn't Mr. McCain -- Senator McCain have a problem with one of his surrogates saying we have a nation of whiners and we have a mental recession?
Does that really reflect -- you've got to wonder what John McCain really thinks with Phil Gramm, one of his key economic advisors?
GINGRICH: Well, I would hope that Senator McCain would distance himself rather decisively from that comment, which, I think, it's frankly not true, not accurate, and I'm very surprised that Senator Gramm said that.
When people who live a long way from work, have to pay $4 and $5 a gallon for gasoline, when they look at the collapse in the price of their house, when they look at the credit situation and what's happening to the stock market, when they worry about the rise of China as an economic competitor, I don't think any of those things are whining. I think those are honest, accurate reflections of the legitimate concern the average American has.
COLMES: But Gramm is still a senior advisor. Should Senator McCain dismiss him?
GINGRICH: No, he just ought to tell him to advise him not to advise the country. You know probably -- it probably does not help a lot Senator Gramm to go on television and say random things that are both wrong, in my judgment, but also politically destructive.
WHORE HANNITY tries to defend GRAMM:
SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: Hey, Mr. Speaker, I don't want to take issue with you here because I agree with a lot of your comments. But let me.
COLMES: Please, go ahead.
HANNITY: I wonder -- yes, he wants to see two conservatives fighting.
But in all seriousness here, we haven't had a recession. There is an economic slowdown. I'd share your concern. Everybody I talked to is furious at $4.50 a gallon for gasoline, especially when they know that we have, you know, more resources than the Middle East.
But I want to ask you this -- over the course of my life I have met people that grew up under tyranny. I knew people that grew up in the former Soviet Union for fear of speaking out against their government, never had an opportunity to pursue their dreams.
In this country maybe we do -- is there a -- some truth to the fact maybe we do whine too much? Maybe we don't appreciate this gift that we have of freedom? Maybe we don't take advantage of it?
GINGRICH: No.
HANNITY: Maybe too many of us look to the government to solve every problem we have, health care, et cetera?
GINGRICH: Sean, I have the deepest affection for you.
COLMES: Here we go.
HANNITY: Here we go. But, but.
GINGRICH: That is the least Ronald Reagan-like quote I have heard from you in your entire career.
A LITTLE LATER, HANNITY TRIES ANOTHER APPROACH, ONLY TO GET SHOT DOWN AGAIN:
HANNITY: Maybe we're having two separate discussions. I want to be very clear so you do understand me.
I agree about gas prices, it needs to be solved. We have an answer, drill here, drill now, pay less. I agree with you about taxation, regulation, bureaucracy, government is failing, Washington government is broken.
But here's more of my point. Have we conditioned the American people to look to the government to take care of all of their fears -- health care, daycare, college, baby bonds -- in other words, that we are maybe -- there's been a mind shift away from liberty, freedom, and responsibility towards the government being the answer to everything?
GINGRICH: No. First of all, I don't believe the government is the answer to everybody. You don't, and neither do 95 percent of the American people.
FINAL SCORE: NEWT 2 HANNITY NIL
1Fox News Network
July 10, 2008 Thursday
SHOW: FOX HANNITY & COLMES 9:00 PM EST
Interview With Newt Gingrich
BYLINE: Sean Hannity, Alan Colmes
GUESTS: Newt Gingrich
SECTION: NEWS; Domestic
LENGTH: 2736 words
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