Monday, December 26, 2011

PICKING ON RON PAUL

I noticed this Reuters article on Yahoo News:
Paul builds campaign on doomsday scenarios
By Andy Sullivan

WASHINGTON, Iowa | Mon Dec 26, 2011 1:43pm EST

WASHINGTON, Iowa (Reuters) - The man who might win the Republican Party's first presidential nominating contest fears that the United Nations may take control of the U.S. money supply.

Campaigning for the January 3 Iowa caucuses, Ron Paul warns of eroding civil liberties, a Soviet Union-style economic collapse and violence in the streets.
This is no different from the psycho-talk on conservative radio and I'm talking about the biggest gasbags like Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Beck and Savage.

4 comments:

Ken Hoop said...

Well, in 2006, if anyone predicted the ongoing Collapse was going to commence in 2008, with approximately the losses taken so far, wouldn't they have been regarded as fringe apocalyptic?

Just asking.

Steve J. said...

Yeah, I think Roubini and a few others made some dire predictions but they were generally ignored.

Ken Hoop said...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/12/27/why-the-establishment-is-terrified-of-ron-paul/

Fair and balanced.

Ken Hoop said...

Interesting comment found on Mike Norman economics blog. I take this to mean, among other things, that elements of the Tea Party should unite with elements of Occupy Wall Street against the Elite. Would appreciate your interpretation, if any.

http://mikenormaneconomics.blogspot.com/2011/12/its-corruption-stupid-naomi-wolf-on.html?showComment=1325013479157#c3119505249585659483

"Tom Hickey said...
(continuation)

As I have written previously, the basic thrust of today's youth is toward anarchism-libertarianism, that is, personal liberty as the highest value politically. Conversely, tor authoritarians the highest political value is order. (BTW, outside the US, "anarchism" and "libertarianism" are synonyms.)

The difference among the anarchistic-libertarian factions, right and left, is between Anarcho-capitalism aka Libertarianism and Anarcho-socialism, which remains as yet unnamed in the US. These are represented by the (real v. the astroturf) Tea Party and the driving force behind Occupy, the organizers and activists. The structure of the basic institution, the general assembly, is based on consensus-building and is fundamentally Anarcho-socialistic, which itself is modeled on ancient tribalism.

The fundamental kerfuffle is generational, between the anarchism-libertarianism of the upcoming generations and the authoritarianism of the generations that holds power.

This is still very much on the feeling level and neither side has really thought this through completely clearly as far as I can see, although in the US Anarcho-capitalism is a well developed philosophy that has been disseminated by years of propagandizing and popularized by writers like Ayn Rand, Henry Hazlitt (Economics In One Lesson), and Hayek's The Road to Serfdom, as well as extensive Libertarian writing and organizing.

Anarcho-socialism-libertarianism of the left is much less well known and there is not as great a body of propaganda behind it in the US, although the literature of Anarcho-socialism and its tradition is much more extensive in the ROW and greatly exceeds that of Anarcho-capitalism. In that sense, the US is quite naive politically wrt respect to what has been happening over the past several centuries. The US got off to a good start philosophically at the inception, but that petered out, largely because the frontier was available for those who wanted to find freedom elsewhere in their chosen way. Now that the frontier is over and space is at a premium, the old issues that have beset humanity are arising here.

The majority of youth in the 60s and 70s was Anarcho-socialist, and it seems that this will also be the case in the unfolding scenario. Most of them have not thought this through in any kind of coherent way, however, and it remains to be seen what turns it takes.

The authorities will bring all their power to bear on repressing or co-opting dissent. One obvious tactic will be to drive a wedge between the Anarch-capitalists and the Anarcho-socialist tendencies in order to prevent any alliance based on the common values they share wrt freedom, which is, of course, opposed to authority. Youth naturally loves freedom (limitless possibility and opportunity), while age covets authority (power and prestige).

What is at stake here is the future of both democracy and capitalism. Neither are likely to emerge in the same form as the present status quo at the end of this conflict of wills. Whether this will be a violent revolution or a velvet revolution in the US is yet to be determined. am encouraged by the angle the protestors are taking so far, but I am discouraged by the angle the authorities have embraced."

December 27, 2011 2:17 PM